"Chase Burning" by Alex Schaefer

I got a certain amount of shit for cosigning this Cimethinc. “Letter from Anarchists” to occupiers, but what really strikes me is that anarchists and occupiers have become two distinct–albeit overlapping–groups. It’s become even more apparent in the streets. When I was at Occupy DC over the weekend, a guy who I would guess circles his A’s complained about being pushed from the street into the police-protected march by another occupier. I’ve seen the same thing happen in New York, and I’m willing to bet it’s happened elsewhere. There have been rumors out of Chicago that some occupiers have printed out flyers with the names and pictures of “known anarchists,” and certain committee members at Wall Street have grumbled about rooting out autonomous actors. In this context, the Crimethinc. letter seems restrained:

Don’t assume those who break the law or confront police are agents provocateurs. A lot of people have good reason to be angry. Not everyone is resigned to legalistic pacifism; some people still remember how to stand up for themselves. Police violence isn’t just meant to provoke us, it’s meant to hurt and scare us into inaction. In this context, self-defense is essential.

Assuming that those at the front of clashes with the authorities are somehow in league with the authorities is not only illogical—it delegitimizes the spirit it takes to challenge the status quo, and dismisses the courage of those who are prepared to do so. This allegation is typical of privileged people who have been taught to trust the authorities and fear everyone who disobeys them.”

What’s most frightening, besides snitching among occupiers, is that these marshals and peacekeepers are acting in the name of the occupation. When they yell or push at people to get them to stay walking on the sidewalk like tourists, they invoke a structure bigger than themselves, one that has supposedly empowered them to do so. To trouble this representational claim, I want to go back to a beginning: the first planning meeting for the September 17 action that would become Occupy Wall Street.

To be honest, I got guilted into going by a friend, otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered responding to a call from Adbusters and going into lower Manhattan for a meeting. The people who had prepared for the meeting were a coalition of non-profits, established activist coalitions, and a certain socialist organization. Despite calling it a “general assembly” supposedly modeled on the Spanish protests, they had a microphone stand and an agenda of speakers. Some of us were bored, and having sat though too many of these audience-less press conferences in the past decade, weren’t able to fake the necessary enthusiasm. A group of mostly strangers wandered to the entrance of the park a little ways away from the microphone and sat down. We traded names and started to chat about why we were there. After a few minutes, we were drawing the audience away from the microphone. One of the coalition organizers came and begged us to rejoin the group, and we grumbled and walked back over. But it quickly became apparent nothing was about to change, so we returned to our circle and began a facilitated meeting.

At first we had five, then 15, and then the microphone meeting had collapsed and the whole group had joined the circle. It shouldn’t surprise anyone who’s experienced with leftist activism that the group of discontents included a bunch of anarchists and anti-authoritarians who are used to a certain horizontal process of talking and decision-making in a group. It’s called consensus, it often involves twinkling fingers to signal agreement, and it’s useful for deciding things like “Which park should we occupy?” The basis for that first meeting, for the sequence of events, was a walking away from organizers.  By now consensus and the oft-mocked twinkling fingers have become part of a common language on the left, but now some people without a background in the process are using it as a means of control.

Autonomous action has been the engine of Occupy Wall Street, providing what Hendrick Hertzberg describes as two of the three “shots of adrenaline” — the third coming from a deranged senior police officer. Instead of providing a basis for discourse and autonomous action, the General Assembly has become a tool of imposed accountability, treating consensus as if it were a way to implement policy upon a population. In addition to the police, occupiers now have to worry about getting harassed or undermined by self-appointed guardians of the non-violent movement. Try chanting something that deviates from the friendly universalist “99%” line and see what happens.

Listen: I think your permitted sidewalk march is cowardly, boring, and harms the sequence’s revolutionary potential, but you don’t see me shoving anyone into the street.

Now don’t fucking touch me or any of my friends, the cops can manage that all by themselves.

Representative politics asks people to act through their name, whether as a vote (for a politician, a union rep, etc.) or as a protesting signature. Non-representative politics, (under which I group anarchists, autonomists, anti-authoritarians, anti-political negationists, various insurrectionary communists, and ultra-leftists of a few stripes) is premised on the necessity of acting with your body itself, whether through your legs, arms, vocal chords, fingers, whatever. The latter is threatening as hell, especially to the professional left which is thrust into the conservative position of defending its requisitioned authority. Witness the giant anarchist-shaped aporia in Jodi Dean’s call for professional revolutionaries to protect the occupation from Democrats and Ron-Pauliens.

These managers are making a classic mistake, which is informed by the way the left has come to think about leaders. People who feel comfortable taking on managerial roles tend to think the folks they’re managing are more afraid and less militant than they are themselves. It’s always the masses that aren’t ready. As Dean writes: communists at Wall Street should “not push too quickly for something for which the proper support has not yet been built.” The potential action here isn’t doing, it’s “pushing” others. Maybe people will never be ready to get pushed around in the name of not getting pushed around anymore.

The standard argument at this point is that non-representative politics sounds nice, but that it’s tactically or strategically unfeasible. Unfortunately, that’s not really a defensible argument since the left has finally broken into the national consciousness by adopting the tactics, strategy, and slogans of a group of left-communist insurrectionaries at the Universities of California. So the new explanation, as offered by Todd Gitlin (seriously, who in the hell rang his bell on this one?) is that we did it on accident: ”Having set out to be expressive, the anarchists have found themselves playing, willy-nilly, a most strategic role.” He’s confusing the people who have adopted an anarchist process (which is everyone involved) and the folks who have been building this analysis for a while.

We might cut you in half

Not to go all Glenn Beck on you, but The Coming Insurrection and a bunch of other similar texts did get passed around the autonomist left in America in the last three or four years. We’re not talking about “expressive” drum-circle denizens here, these are people who have built and are acting according to a revolutionary analysis. But it’s not just theory nerds and self-identified anarchists who ignored the frantically waving marshals and got arrested; Take the bridge! is an accessible message and it was produced by the opportunity. We certainly didn’t need a French pamphlet to figure that one out.

And what is it exactly people want to do with their unrepresentable limbs? The capitalists aren’t so sure it’s the non-violent shuffle:

“An online ‘Occupy Threat Center’ created by ListenLogic says the company’s analysis of ‘over one million social media posts’ indicates a significant increases in all of the following:

-Social media activity from Occupy supporters and activists promoting physical destruction and violent action.

-Direct and specific threats from Occupy ‘hacktivist’ groups against specific financial and law enforcement targets.

-Social media posts, videos and images targeting: financial institutions that issue mortgages and student loans and that initiate foreclosures; corporate entities that received bailout money or government subsidies; companies that pay high executive salaries or bonuses; and companies perceived to be paying extremely low taxes.

ListenLogic is detecting, he says, a change in the tone of discourse about the so-called 1 percent richest Americans.

There still are postings that talk about taxing the 1 percent more severely or even throwing them in jail. ‘But then,’ says Schiavone, ‘there’s an increase in ‘let’s kill’ them. We see ‘eat the rich,’ ‘kill the wealthy.’ There are images circulating of senior executives being decapitated, images of blood. Artists are releasing images of banks on fire.’”

The managers keep people in check, but we’ve achieved real gains when the occupation broadly considered shakes off its representatives and sets to our task with our own hands. We’re already seeing the power that comes with a more horizontal process, don’t let leaders fuck that up by assuming representative roles.

And stop pushing back onto the sidewalk.

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  • http://twitter.com/el_bhask bhaskar sunkara

    Here’s why we need party cadre to prevent “spectacular” individual acts: http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-05-06/news/20887865_1_general-strike-greece-protesters

  • Anonymous

    I agree with most of your points about anarchism and their potential relationship to the larger occupy wall street movement, but let’s be clear about Crimethinc’s anti-thought and blustering self-righteousness.  The entire thing is written to preemptively de-legitimize the position of anyone who criticizes them in a really immature way, and if I were you I would remove your grudging signature since these guys don’t have any serious numbers or analysis. Two quotes were especially offensive:

    “Denouncing others only equips the authorities to delegitimize, divide, and destroy the movement as a whole. ” Right, it would be terrible if syndicalists denounced Necheyev and the nihilist circle. The whole point of politics is who and what is excluded, I would think. Which leads into the next problem:

    “Assuming that those at the front of clashes with the authorities are
    somehow in league with the authorities is not only illogical—it
    delegitimizes the spirit it takes to challenge the status quo, and
    dismisses the courage of those who are prepared to do so. ”

    The guy who always wants throw rocks is either a police agent or an idiots.  It’s actually totally logical to assume that people who want to “clash with police” when it’s neither tactically nor politically sound are intentionally or unintentionally destroying a broader movement in order to serve state power or  act out their fantasies.  I think some discipline is a good thing, since any organization is implicitly or explicitly responsible for the actions of its members; I would hope there is some central body keeping out sexists and racists for example, and if this also strestches to anarchists who  insist on an unlimited right to pursue violent tactics that’s probably a good thing as well.

    • http://www.facebook.com/youngscaryfutureriotcrowd Malcolm Harris

      I think denouncing in that context means to the police, which is inexcusable in my mind period.

      And anyone whose goal is to clash with the police probably isn’t very smart, but I think there are a lot of people who want to get at the banks the police are protecting. If you think they’re all idiots or police, well, I’m not sure that reflects the majority of occupiers.

      As I made clear in the story about the first meeting, it’s a practice not an organization. And a central body with the power to exclude based on the right people claim to autonomy? Based on whose or what authority? We have enough police, why do self-identified leftists insist on helping them?

      • Anonymous

        Actually upon closer reading, it seems like you’re right about how they’re using denounce in an altogether literal way. In that sense, I’m in complete agreement–those holding and enforcing state power are not legitimate so there’s no reason to help them. On the other hand if there’s some lunatic who brings,  (let’s say) a gun and has a plan to start shooting police one can logically extrapolate that there’s a high chance of the larger protest becoming associated with that action and that a lot of people could get hurt or killed they have to be stopped and if that includes reporting them to the police so be it. As another post showed about the bank employees who died in greece there’s not exactly a fine line. While some of the more “militant” people might feel justified in supporting or at least not impeding the destruction of bank property anyone who is indifferent to human life or feels that killing any low-level employees of destructive organizations by accident is  still justified/unimportant is so unwelcome in my political camp I’ll be the first one to identify them to the police since their arrest will thin the herd and make the movement stronger.

        If you assist violent and unreflective people in doing unsafe things you’re partially responsible for the consequences and if they do them in the name of society or popular movement it’s even worse. A central body is necessarily self-grounded, not any appeal to metaphysics/morality or at this point, the imaginary/ephemeral/meaningless popular mandate. 

        So, a central body either it does good work and people like it and help it and listen to it, or it doesn’t and people don’t and it becomes irrelevant.  I think it’s much better to have some recognizable entity capable of taking responsibility and being judged on its merits than an anonymous multitude where each individual member has a feeling of having a “blank check” to do whatever they want in the name of the public or justifies their actions by reference to a vague and consensus” that is reached in a stilted and limited way by a constantly circulating body who is not bound to anything. The problem with police is not that they enforce rules but with whose rules they enforce, so maybe it really is the case that there are not enough police on the left!

        • http://www.facebook.com/youngscaryfutureriotcrowd Malcolm Harris

          No, that is not the case. Fuck the police, especially in our heads.

          And as for “a central body either it does good work and people like it and help it and listen to it, or it doesn’t and people don’t and it becomes irrelevant,” how about that illegitimate state? Seems like it’s a central body that doesn’t fit either of those categories but rather controls by material and immaterial means of domination.

          • Anonymous

            Ah yes, the seemingly reasonable argument is now revealed to be a dogma of “fuck the police” which can neither be argued with or given greater nuance, and of course you ignored everything else I said because you have no response to it that doesn’t sound ridiculous even to yourself.

            Politics are complicated, every situation has an infinite number of angles and usually they can’t be reduced to shopworn and stupid slogans, unless you’re very lazy or very stupid.

            As for the U.S Government how can you actually think people are against it in abstraction as a decision making body? If you are then surely we should stop talking about taxes, the minimum wage, state universities, anti-discrimination legislation, public healthcare and so on, since the state administers all of these things to some degree or another.. The only people I’ve seen who have been serious about abolishing the state are tea-partiers who reason that if you eliminate the tax base the state goes bankrupt and ceases to exist. Quite how you’re planning to wield power without domination is a question I suspect you’re not equipped to answer seriously.  Society is, in degrees, a  dictatorship of one class or another, so necessarily you are dominating the bourgeois or they are dominating you, you control the police or they control you.

            Have you ever read Brecht’s The Measure Taken? You would hopefully  find it informative.

          • http://twitter.com/anch0red Laurel Dearing

            have you ever read ‘how non-violence protects the state’ by peter gelderloos?

          • Anonymous

            Yeah I did and came away thinking he’s an idiot.  Even worse Brecht’s point exactly undermines his–Gelderloos has been scooped fifty years before he war born and he still felt qualified to wade in.

            Obviously tactics have no moral weight but are either appropriate or inappropriate in a given situation. Non-violence works in British India and (to some degree in ) Egypt, but it doesn’t work in Apartheid South Africa or Libya, or Mussloini’s Italy.  Everything from peaceful petitions to terrorist bombings are all tactics with a time and a place, but if someone is emotionally attached to non-violence or violence they can’t really weigh the decision properly and up always refusing to pick up the gun even in the face of mass murder or always refusing to not set shit on fire and throw things even in the face of a pliable and (comparatively) tolerant state.  Of course the truth is that violence and non-violence go together like peanut butter and jelly and the threat of violent change and the possibility of non-violent change can both be compelling but the proper measure to be taken (duh) is rarely so simple as pseudoethical adolescent radicalism.

  • http://twitter.com/A_la_Descartes Meg

    So, you don’t like managerial types who assume they possess greater militancy, but this whole article is basically a diatribe putting yourself in that same position.

    Also, while the movement has gained a lot of attention (and certainly deserves applause for that)  it has yet to accomplish anything substantive. This isn’t the storming of the Winter Palace, after all.

    If your contention against leadership is that it is not only inessential, but harmful to the movement’s development, consider the traditional indigenous model that the anarchist-minded horizontalism is rooted in: Zapatisto, which itself consists of an Indigenous Revolutionary Clandestine Committee whose members are chosen by the communities through election, and remain in power as long as the communities agree that its members are faithfully executing their duties and functions. 

    Aren’t you the one who posted the Brooklyn Bridge arrest account, calling it “romantic”?

    Will be interested to see what the official, yet anti-authoritarian Jacobin debate tomorrow at Bluestockings has to say.

    • http://www.facebook.com/youngscaryfutureriotcrowd Malcolm Harris

      Let me officially state that there is nothing official about the Bluestockings debate.

  • http://twitter.com/A_la_Descartes Meg

    Anti-managerialism from the Managing Editor of a website. Mm-hmm.

    • DPirate

      ! Like pro-solar power from someone who lives near a nuclear plant! OMG

  • Drenched

    Firstly, I don’t condone the physical pushing to enforce the “rules”…

    But I don’t see a recognition that YOUR supposedly “autonomous” actions have effects on other people. If you do something that we all know has a very good chance of provoking the police to commit mass arrests and violence on those who didn’t participate, you have contributed to imposing something on others to which they didn’t consent. I don’t defend the police’s actions one bit, but if you knew it would happen and did it anyway, you bear some responsibility.

    Second–I’d like to hear more about what you believe will make the movement successful. Because right now it’s small–tiny. More people go to any given pro sports game than have been to our biggest gatherings. Let’s face it, the police could clear Zucotti Park in an evening, and where would the “revolution” be the next morning? I guess we’d all have learned a very important lessen about “power structures” in our society, which would fill the virtual pages of online leftist journals for months–but what would really have changed? I don’t see any hope but mass support–millions of feet in the streets. So I’m trying to figure out how that happens.

    Finally, I think I’m in the same boat as Meg in not really understanding anarchism on a  philosophical level… if you believe so strongly in the sanctity of individual actions, how can you condemn the individuals who chose to push you onto the sidewalk? There seems to be a contradiction (or, perhaps, hypocrisy) inherent in the idea that: “I FORBID you to make any demands on me!”

    • http://twitter.com/anch0red Laurel Dearing

      the last part could really be answered by research into anarchism. whilst individualist libertarianism played a huge role on the influence of anarchism, it came out of the socialist working class movement, both in europe and america. most anarchists identify loosely as anarcho-communists, or left-wing libertarians. its largely about negative freedoms, as in, freedom-from, not freedom-to. if your freedom imposes a lack of freedom onto other people then its no longer okay. anarchism isnt about no rules, only no leaders. the people have the right to create rules and enforce them, but not to hand them over to any authority. therefore the act of forcing someone off the streets is coercive, but the majority of the group deciding that they should come off the streets is not. however, we believe that this can create the ‘tyranny of the majority’ whereby its questionable that its democratic at all, as other peoples ideas and feelings are pushed aside. so more and more we try to rely on coming to consensus, not just on what everybody does, but on diversity of tactics, which is worth looking up also. the great thing about occupy, is that you have the perfect base to plan actions from. if communication can be had wherein affinity groups can be created and plan their own actions, and they could trust the rest of the groups to respect their ideas, then each bloc could inform the actions taken by the others. if you look into the Dissent! network for example, in the UK antiglobalisation movement, the police didnt know whether they were going to get peaceful protest, the black bloc, clowns, greenies blocking the road off, wombles (look it up) or parents and babies having a picnic in the middle of the street. if one group can accept the actions of the others, and can arrange it so that there is minimum effects on the other groups, then this is the most effective action. it does however help if there is a bit more of a fixed understanding or aim to the protest however. for instance, if many still have faith in the police or in the governmental system, then you arent going to come to an agreement. if someone cannot accept that if one group does something illegal and another is ‘peaceful’ that the police will probably attack the peaceful group, and possibly do this even without the other group doing anything, then they arent going to understand why that other group would choose that method. the more planned something is, the riskier to be found out, but the less riskier that it will affect the other people. defence really is the best form of attack. Dissent! and Climate Camp etc use diversity of tactics, but because they create a base and protect it militantly, it does not usually result in the people present on the whole being under attack for the actions. but then, you see, there is a specific aim to both those groups.

      • Drenched

        “the people have the right to create rules and enforce them, but not to hand them over to any authority.” How does this enforcement work? I’m seeing any room for enforcement in what you’ve described so far.

        • http://twitter.com/anch0red Laurel Dearing

          well if youre relying on the police, then youre essentially giving the police and state legitimacy. these things should be worked out in groups. people should come to conclusions as a group about what is the right way forward, and actually listen to the opposition, rather than assuming that your own way is the right way. theres nearly always room for compromise or diversity of tactics, or affinity groups.

          if everybody came to an agreement and somebody broke that agreement, then there are ways of physically stopping them, though personally unless they were attacking others within the group i think in-fighting and splitting is extremely harmful. because im not really sure on the aims of peaceful protest in itself to achieve anything, to stand around in the street, i dont have very much hope for it myself. i would define non violent direct action as blockading, or, for example, animal liberation, or smashing up a weapons factory. there is no part in my brain which can imagine damage to corporate property being considered violence in a movement against the richest in society. if there isnt a critique of capital, it renders the whole demonstration pointless. anyways, my point is, if people can come up with EFFECTIVE methods of non-violent direct action together, then people wont feel the need to break from the plans. black blocs often form spontaneously when a big group meets up and a group of people feel like being with so many other like-minded people, and being bored by meetings that theyve already had in their own organising groups time and time before, or protesting in ways that they dont find to work, or which are designed to lobby politicians (and therefore against our beliefs) is a huge waste of an opportunity where people could actually do something, and start feeling quite restless, and once this group gets together we often just start planning stuff without really thinking about it. thats what happens when people of a similar mindset come together. if they feel like theyre already doing something useful and effective then they wont feel the need to group off and do their own thing.

      • Dissembly

        the people have the right to create rules and enforce them, but not
        to hand them over to any authority.”

        Not even their own authority! Experiments in radical democracy have
        been going on since the 1640s, but anarchists act as if they invented
        it all recently. People don’t form parties, with reps voted into
        leadership positions, just for no reason. They do it because that is
        what works.

        When you don’t vote for a representative in a leadership spot, then
        the leadership spot will – de facto, without any official recognition
        in many cases – be taken over WITHOUT you voting. How many examples do
        we need to see of this before anarchists realise they have a great big
        dictator-shaped hole in their strategies?

        And when you don’t allow the majority to rule, then a minority will
        rule. This idea of “the dictatorship of the majority” – something
        which has rarely been seen before in human history (apart from a few
        blips such as during the 1640s, the 1790s, the 1870s, and 1917) -
        being a bad thing is just a bizarre thing for a libertarian (in the
        left-wing sense) to promote!

        Currently, we have a dictatorship of a minority through capitalist
        parliaments. The problem with capitalist parliaments is not that they
        reflect majority votes – the problem is that the parties we’re allowed
        to vote for all represent the *minority* (i.e. the wealthy). In
        capitalist parliaments, majority votes are used to support minority
        rule.

        Consensus voting systems are those in which minority rule are a given
        from the beginning. True, it’s a bit convoluted, in that the majority
        still gets some representation in an anarchist consensus model (unlike
        a capitalist parliamentary model, in which the majority can only vote
        for which faction of the minority will rule them). But consensus is
        designed so that the majority can be pushed aside and made to follow
        the whims of a minority at any given moment. And this is supposed to
        be radical democracy? It’s neither radical nor democratic!

        Radical means getting to the root cause of problems. Consensus
        decision-making just betrays a fundamental lack of understanding as to
        the root causes of the undemocratic nature of capitalist democracy or
        so-called “communist” Stalinized states.

        Democratic means allowing the people as a whole to rule. If minority
        dissension can trip up majority votes without redress, or if nobody
        can vote for a platform or a representative because “politics and
        leaders are bad”, then the people as a whole only get a limited,
        distorted voice.

        Consensus decision-making, hostility to having representatives or
        parties, are the opposite of radical democracy. They’re just breeding
        grounds for ego trippers and power-hungry sectarians and they devolve
        into authoritarianism faster and more effectively than the
        bureaucratic wing of the Bolshevik Party could have ever dreamed.

        • ddotto

          Please explain how exactly “the whims of a minority at any given moment”  can push aside the majority by a consensus voting system. You describe this a lot in your post, but where is the ‘how?’ How does this happen?

          I don’t see how what you have written has any bearing on truth. 

          • Dissembly

            This has been apparent in the Melbourne Occupy movement, in which I have been involved, and it has been apparent in the movement in the US and in others. I believe I was reading about Spains Indignados.

            In any case, its the fundamental principle on which consensus operates, so I’m not sure why you are so surprised.

            Consensus allows a minority to block a majority-supported decision. I have seen many important decisions put off on this basis. It has prevented the GA from doing what most of those involved wanted it to do. It is authoritarian. This is why Robert Mugabe is such a fan of consensus in the Zimbabwean parliament.

            In theory, I am told after making this criticism, this then opens the way to consensus-building. But this is no different from any other democratic system, all of which demand open discussion on contentious issues. Where it differs is that the minority can continue to veto the majority if agreement isnt reached.

            The result is GAs that dont seem to go anywhere, that continually put off decisions on important issues. In fact, ive seen this lead to the rise of unelected commitees, which appear out of necessity to do things the GA cant do because of its consensus model. These undemocratic committees then make important decisions on the fly, without any democratic mandate. Another authoritarian result. An authoritarianism that arises directly over the inability of consensus to make useful decisions.

            This is not revolutionary democracy.

            Im not sure why anarchists who support such models expected anything different. It seems to be a result of high-minded thinking thats purely theoretical, divorced from actual practise. Like i said, its therefore irking that we’ve had practise since the 1640s. This movement has demonstrated very clearly to me the authoritarianism inherent in consensus, and also in the hostility to representation etc. as I said earlier.

  • ANTIFA

    OH, THE POOR MIDDLE CLASS. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    I think the Occupy Wall Street movement is too limited, controlled and misguided. It’s a joke worth laughing at. This protest movement isn’t trying to remove the injustice of capitalism or the state. They aren’t even trying to protest the injustices of either or the totality to make it simple. Nope! 
    They’re a joke at the end of the day when deaf politicians, corporations, banks, media networks and police still control business as usual. I’m glad I’m staying home watching all these idiots. I have nothing in common with them. I know that corporations and banks can’t be reformed when the rules of the capitalist system are created by the banks and the corporations and I know the politicians answer the lobbyest every day and not the American people. If you have a donation to give of 20,000 the politician would like to shake your hand immediately but if you just want to talk about corruption, you will have to meet with his assistant. I know the way the system operates. I’m sorry if you think government is a tool of the people. I’m sorry if you think voting or politicians bring hope. I’m sorry if you think Obama or politicians are going to restore the middle class. I’m sorry if you think corporations need to be loved and then they will some how change the way the conduct them selves. Sorry if you’re a liberal hippie pacifist. You just don’t know what’s up. Wake up! The American Nightmare is ending and you the middle class are intent on doing nothing but saving it from its own demise. You are not a real resistance movement You are  joke. You are the establishment working to put it self back together again which is why you are closed minded to revolution as a solution. You are a part of the problemNOW DO THE LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF AMERICANS AND THE REST OF THE WORLD A FAVOR AND GO CHASE TRAFFIC. NO ONE LIKES YOU!

    • Drenched

      “They’re a joke at the end of the day when deaf politicians, corporations, banks, media networks and police still control business as usual.”
      …So we have to wait until politicians, corporations, banks, media, and police no longer control things before we protest them…? How does that work exactly?

      Also, wait–you’re telling me lobbyists control the politicians?! OMG you just blew my mind dude! Literally NO ONE at Occupy Wall Street knows this or is talking about it, like, every day! WE’VE GOT TO WARN THEM!

    • ddotto

      ANTIFA,

      You are either an infiltrating provocateur, or an idiot for declaring such easily refutable presuppositions. (And for every other bullshit blusterous sentence you spewed.) I do not acknowledge any truth in any single thing you have written. - It is not too limited because there are no limits – no time limit, no size limit, no demographic limit, no demands limit, no financial limit, no geographical boundaries.  - No one and no group controls this movement. - There is no misguidance, as there are no guides. There is no guide. There is no direction. No one can predict what will happen!

      You classify the movement wrongly, ignorantly, purposefully. You expect our demands to state all that we are against, or something, but fuck you, dork saboteur. We Are Our Demands. We are direct democracy. We privilege the under-represented. We have no hierarchical structure. (G’head insinuate otherwise, but you lie until you demonstrate proof. Speculations of a controlling influence by a specific other mean NOTHING!) You state that we want to reform. What the fuck hell enables you to state that? We have not asserted such an intention. Reform a government bureaucracy of corporate fascism that is safeguarded and vigilantly maintained by those ‘public representatives’ who would be tasked to initiate such reforms? Fuck you for stating thus. You put stupid words in closed mouths. Allow me to speak for myself, as anyone in the Occupy movement is honestly and only able to do, I have absolutely no faith in our government to serve the people for which it “stands.” I do not believe reform is possible.

      You, ANTIFA, IF you are a real fucking revolutionary (I admit, I doubt you are in any way real,) you would understand that there is a real moment here that has never existed before. A chance to work with all of society, not just the fringe hardcore idealizing fantasy revolutionists of the petit-bourguoisie compatriots of party circles or college buds, but the Real World society of our families and neighbors and co-workers and friends. Who the fuck are you to derisively dismiss the “MIDDLE CLASS?” Do you imagine that the “MIDDLE CLASS” is the oppressor? The controller? 

      Laugh all you want, asshole – no one is listening to you while you stand on the sidelines mocking the real.  Not everyone wears a spiked belt, has a mohawk, a face tattoo, wears deliberately ripped clothes, seeks a high rating on the ‘cool factor’ program that you watch every night. Laugh among your patented lifestyle circle-A friends, ditto copy ANTIFA. Your derisive insinuation that the Middle Class is not worthy of revolution, or inclusion in such, is the somnambulant OMMMMM that keeps you spellbound to the ‘revolution channel’ in your armchair of obsolescent superior rect(um)itude gone nowhere for 80 years and counting. Fuck you for your condescension. Fuck you for your you. Fuck you for trying to subvert the good and just intentions of basically everyday people in trying to express the complete breakdown of faith in our government, in our economy, in our society, in the System. And for once, beginning something that is inclusive of ALL of us, not just the twiddly-twat fuck-all punks who are going through a ‘radical phase.’ 

      Step up and prove your assertions.

  • Mike Beggs

    Over the years I’ve read or heard many variations on this theme – about ‘cowardly’ or co-opted organisers trying to repress militant civil disobedience or confrontations with the cops. But I’ve read very few good statements about what it’s supposed to achieve, even though this strategic gap has been a much more common criticism of black bloc or ‘insurrectionist’ antics than that they are just too militant or radical.

    Having been through movement cycles of escalating tension with the police, I think it’s ultimately pretty boring and pointless. Confrontation with police authority in these circumstances is not system-threatening in the slightest. Capitalism isn’t that kind of system.

    I’m all for standing your ground to defend the right to protest, and I know it’s usually the police that start these things. But I just don’t get the point of deliberate provocation, and I think 549106 is right – you don’t have to be on the payroll to do the job of a provocateur.

    • Drenched

      Yes, and the vast majority of those arguing for “militancy” seem to be sitting comfortable behind a keyboard, not out there doing anything. They’re waiting for other people to put their lives on the line for them, and are thus, to me, no better than the politicians who send other people’s kids to war.

      • http://www.facebook.com/youngscaryfutureriotcrowd Malcolm Harris

        Why does everyone assume that if you’re writing about something, that you’re not doing it?http://twitter.com/#!/destructuremal/status/120552854095278081

      • DPirate

        The vast majority! Well, the vast majority of people calling for restraint aren’t doing fuckall either, so, what is your point? Are they (you) no better than the bankers who destroy the world economy and demand million dollar bonuses? Get a grip.

    • DPirate

      “militant civil disobedience or confrontations with the cops” is supposed to achieve escalation. Whether that seems good or bad depends on you perspective, I suppose, but what seems “pretty boring and pointless” to me is allowing oneself to be corraled into designated acceptable behaviors when your rights, both human and constitutional, which are manifold, are violently denied you.

  • Nick_djinn

    Anyone who relates to this article should check out this site, to help mobilize and facilitate the Anarchist contingent within the Occupation movement.

    http://www.autonomous-legion.org/

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    http://www.autonomous-legion.org/sample-page/

  • Drenched

    And also, if you’re going to quote the corporate intelligence agent whose job is basically to A) scare corporations so they give him more business and B) discredit the movement in the eyes of the public on behalf of his clients–you could at least include the part of his statement where he admits that the violence/threats don’t represent the movement as a whole.

  • Alphonsevanworden

    The best way to discourage the (very few) destructive egoists who appear at such events IS for everyone else to make it clear that people acting like provocateurs and cops will be assumed to be provocateurs and cops. This assumption is usually right and when wrong it is useful to make anyway, as it is the most emphatic way for others to distance themselves from the destructive pointless tantrums (of relatively elite white men, generally, who enjoy a certain privilege which encourages this kind of thing). 

    However. Very important: it should not be assumed that cops need real provocations from real militants to be violently oppressive, or that such actions meaningfully give them excuses they require and can’t provide for themselves. Such actions may make repression’s job a little easier but it should never be assumed that had the community of the movement only managed to control this  privileged and uncooperative element, the state would have had to be kind and gentle.  That’s not the case. 

    Meekness is no insuperable protection, non-violence is no guaranteed protection, the most disciplined non-violent practitioners of civil disobedience can expect to be terrorised and hurt as well as those who are unfortunate enough to be near the comix fans, and no one should leap to blame the lack of discipline of the protesters or the failure of some imagined leadership or collective to keep egoist individuals in line or to identify and expose police provocateurs for the state’s violence against those who challenge it. That’s more the danger – that when the state attacks, protesters will blame themselves and each other – than that individuals within the movement (intentionally or irresponsibly) will “provide excuses” for state terror and repression that could somehow be avoided.  No matter how protesters behave – whether there are a few provocateurs or wound up kids who are unchecked and who shatter some glass and provide some nice picture for media or not  - the state alone has to be held responsible for its violence, and protesters have to make it clear to supporters that the state’s violence is always the state’s doing and never a necessary or excusable response.

    • Emryss

      The point of non-violence has never been that is you are you don’t get hurt. The point is that if you are non-violent you do no harm to others. 

  • Alphonsevanworden

    Remember

    a) there are ALWAYS provocateurs. They can’t be eradicated. The dream of a movement without posing cops now is a fantasy. Other militants have only a variety of options of how to relate to them. 

    b) in any action of any considerable size, there will almost certainly be a couple of people flying out, either drunk or high or just moody. Often they will be young and otherwise lovable and not people you want to harm. 

    The point is to break out of this corporate-media-constructed question at the heart of which is this assumption that police repression is responsive and that the burden is on militants to not ask for a head smashing. We all know this isn’t true, and yet we permit ourselves to be dragged into debates framed in such a way as to solidify that assumption indirectly (an assumption which could never be propagated with positive assertions, it is so absurd and so against all of our experience).

    The worst problem the provocateurs now pose is a spectacle-related one; they are staging scenes for media which may impact on public support and even on the narrative the participants have of their own unfolding history and one another’s. That’s a real difficulty. But it shouldn’t be confused with the fiction of “providing excuses” to police to use force and violence. 

  • Peter McKelvey

    I too have attended dozens of GAs in DC and beyond in the last few years and understand your disappointment. Establishing the means of a reasonable general assembly is commendable but I think you’re dead wrong that trying to splinter off with your anarchist buddies is a good way of growing this movement. While I can respect civil disobedience on your part remember that many people are not comfortable with that and you need to respect that as well. It is not cowardly, they are standing with you on the front lines. Much like you made the point of cops being able to suppress civil disobedience without the help of other protesters.. the media can insult and demean the protesters all by itself, its not your job. Get back on the sidewalk and show some solidarity. Its a peoples’ movement.. not your movement. While your arrest might make news one day. If millions of everyday Americans feel comfortable coming to the protests it will look much more impressive than another anarchist getting arrested.

  • Dissembly

    In my experience, its three groups that are acting as “marshalls” for the left: 1) the capitalist left politician types, 2) the Cliff-ite brand of Trotskyists who embrace opportunism and sectarianism, and 3) the less class-conscious “lifestyle” anarchists.

    And there are two structures that enable these people to dominate:

    1) Anarchist organising strategies, ie “consensus” decision making that enables a minority to subvert a majority, and a hostility to “representation”, as you say: which allows unelected ego trippers to grab places of power in the absence of democratic control of leadership.
    2) “apoliticism” and “anti-party” positions, that pounce upon any progress toward a coherent platform, and dont allow competing ideas to express themselves in organised groupings.

    Yes, there are sectarian, opportunist liberals and socialists alike who are hurting the movement. But they are able to do this precisely because anarchist organising ideas – consensus decision making and anti-party/anti-representation attitudes – are inherently authoritarian. Or rather, conducive to authoritarianism.

    I am a Trotskyist myself, so you may say “he would say that”, but honestly, its my experience of the occupy movement that has really brought home to me how much, unintentionally, anarchist reactions against “Bolshevism” have led the left into the arms of opportunistic authoritarians of all stripes (lifestyle anarchist, sectarian Trotskyist, and liberal). Ive met more little Stalins takung full advantage of anarchist models than i ever care to see again.

    • Patrick

      “Ive met more little Stalins takung full advantage of anarchist models than i ever care to see again.”

      Really? More than little Stalins taking full advantage of Stalinist models?

      • Dissembly

        Uh, yes. Really.

        You have the look of someone who thought he was making an incisive point, but I don’t see any such point.